List of new and likely long-haul brussels routes

Post by **sn26567** » 13 Jun 2005, 09:17

A380-800 wrote:I am personally really sad that SAB closed their business, I had really good contacts in engineering department

Thanks, A380-800!

sn-remember · Post by **sn-remember** » 13 Jun 2005, 12:47

Better target JNB which offers more traffic (terminating plus transit) than CPT (which can be reached from JNB more conveniently than the other way round) in my opinion.
Yes SN used to serve the route to JNB and it has been profitable some time and then no more...for the reasons mentioned. But I think it can be served profitably if an effective marketing policy is put in place and a correct management operated.
And if snba is not "daring" enough , SA is the carrier to succeed on the route because of the easy connections at JNB it offers plus the opportunity to continue the route from bru to a place in uk (bhm?)
From cpt the flight cannot be daily to bru (from jnb well), and a stop (to lad ?) is probably indicated although cpt is currently served non-stop by some operators to more powerful hubs.

itami · Post by **itami** » 13 Jun 2005, 12:48

snowflake wrote:
B737229 wrote:Doesn't look very good, even Tokyo , is not in the pipeline. If one Asian city should be served from BRU it must be Tokyo! It is a capital city for asia
TYO not in the pipeline? Let's say that "an airline" will be increasing its flights between JP and EUR in 2006. BRU is one of the options where this new flight could come to...

SF

Don't forget the Belgian foreign trade mission headed by H.R. Prince Filip this week in Japan. The restauration of a regular air service between Japan and Belgium will surely be one of the items to be discussed. :plane:

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 13 Jun 2005, 22:16

B744skipper wrote:
regi wrote:Imagine if managment goes for a fresh approach: fly to Cape Town! There are very few direct connections between Cape Town and Europe. Okay, the tourist season is just from December to march. But the rest of the year people would also use it for JNB connections.
There is a real demand for CPT flights, and even short CPT breaks are on the rise, leaving the rest of South-Africa behind. The tourism around CPT is of a very high level, well paying, quality demanding
When SNBA would do that, they should minimize risk on that route. They should sell all (or most of the seats) to tourist organisations (like TUI or Thomas Cook, neither have flights to South Africa, or do they?). When they sell them they should do that for a price in which they know for sure that they will make (a small) profit. For example, a flight costs E15.000 to operate and they should sell it for E18.000 to Thomas Cook (figures are all made up). Then they know for sure that they will make a bit profit, but do not need sell the seats/fill the aircraft. So the risk for that new route is all with the tourist organisation. If they decide to axe it because of insufficient demand, SNBA has not lost any money then.

That would mean SN would not have a new line to CPT... They would just be getting into the charter business, like TUI Belgium & Tomas Cook Airlines Belgium... They do this, but only with small (A319) aircraft.
New A333's will find a better use on scheduled services...
If there would be a market for a full A333 to CPT, there would be a charter carrier operating that line allready. Sobelair tried once, but failed to have sufficient loads.

vflies · Post by **vflies** » 13 Jun 2005, 22:24

And could a 330 fully loaded fly nonstop from JNB to BRU?

VFlies

B744skipper · Post by **B744skipper** » 13 Jun 2005, 22:55

Buzz wrote:That would mean SN would not have a new line to CPT... They would just be getting into the charter business, like TUI Belgium & Tomas Cook Airlines Belgium... They do this, but only with small (A319) aircraft.
New A333's will find a better use on scheduled services...
If there would be a market for a full A333 to CPT, there would be a charter carrier operating that line allready. Sobelair tried once, but failed to have sufficient loads.

I don't think you understand my point, SNBA could operate scheduled services on that route. But instead of selling those seats themselves, they could sell (most of) them to tourist organisations. With charter airlines it is the other way around, charter airlines operate routes on request of the tourist companies.
Anyway, as you pointed out, Sobelair did not get sufficient loads on such a route. But when SNBA would sell those seats to the tourist organisations (could be more then just one), SNBA would already have the cash earned on those seats, even if they are not filled. So if the loads won't be sufficient, SNBA would not have lost any money but the risk would be with the tourist companies.

snowflake · Post by **snowflake** » 14 Jun 2005, 10:33

itami wrote:
snowflake wrote:
B737229 wrote:Doesn't look very good, even Tokyo , is not in the pipeline. If one Asian city should be served from BRU it must be Tokyo! It is a capital city for asia
TYO not in the pipeline? Let's say that "an airline" will be increasing its flights between JP and EUR in 2006. BRU is one of the options where this new flight could come to...

SF
Don't forget the Belgian foreign trade mission headed by H.R. Prince Filip this week in Japan. The restauration of a regular air service between Japan and Belgium will surely be one of the items to be discussed. :plane:

You can expect some news about new routes from JP both to US and EUR within the next 2 or 3 months...

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 14 Jun 2005, 18:03

We shall see, I'm very curious. I don't expect them very soon

press · Post by **press** » 14 Jun 2005, 18:45

nice to see this topic is still alive.

the most important changes are ... (subject to change without prior notice)

bru-auh: EY, status: confirmed, - 10/2005, 3x weekly.
bru-yyz: EY, status: confirmed, - 10/2005, 3x weekly.
bru-ewr: 9W, status: confirmed, - 07/2005, 6x weekly.
bru-bom: 9W, status: confirmed, - 07/2005, 6x weekly.
bru-mia: AA, status: request filed, expected Q4 2005/Q1 or Q2 2006.
bru-pek: HU, status: request filed, expected Q4 2005/Q1 or Q2 2006, still no traffic rights!
bru-doh: QR, status: request filed, expected Q2 2006, operated with A319!
bru-dxb: EK, status: request filed, expected Q4 2006.
bru-bkk: BR/CI/TUB, status: all requests filed, expected in Q2 2006 or Q4 2005 TUB (+hkt), who will win the battle?
bru-ngo: NH, status: request filed, not before Q2 2006.
bru-nrt: NH, status: request filed, not before Q2 2006.
bru-yul: AC, status: request filed, not before Q2 2006.

no requests from SN for new african routes yet.

source: biac and bsc, 06/2005.

regards

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 14 Jun 2005, 21:13

Thanks for the update press.

But when you say expected Q2 2006 or another quarter. What does this exactly mean ? Is that the period where the airline will be granted the permissions to fly those routes ?

Chris

zillox · Post by **zillox** » 15 Jun 2005, 14:11

At least we have a big Middle-east carrier flying to brussels... No transfer anymore if I want to go UAE.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 03 Jul 2005, 15:34

So, we could expect this year: Maxjet (USA), Jet airways (India), Ethiad (UAE) and Sunair (UK).

Not bad if they come to Bru

Humberside · Post by **Humberside** » 03 Jul 2005, 17:42

Sun Air are Danish

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 03 Jul 2005, 22:39

SN30952 wrote:Honestly I have no good hopes for HKT.
Almost daily one can hear in SE Asia a second tsunami can be expected still this year.
It is in TV, newspapers, in the media.

05/07/05 10u18 In Thailand moesten toeristen op het vakantie-eiland Phuket als gevolg van het waarschuwingssysteem het strand van Patong verlaten. More in Phuket Gazette:No danger from morning tremor

The quake occurred at 8:52 am, about 700 kilometers from Phuket.

regi · Post by **regi** » 04 Jul 2005, 16:45

Connections starts to promote Brussels - Bangkok with Etihad now, starting from 21 st August.
But on the website of Etihad, no word yet about Brussels in the shedules, or on the map, where it is noted "as a future destination"
Also no word in the news page.
I assume they refer to the german connection, over Frankfurt or Munich.

Flying_Dutchman · Post by **Flying_Dutchman** » 04 Jul 2005, 18:37

SN30952 wrote:
press wrote:nice to see this topic is still alive.
the most important changes are ... (subject to change without prior notice)
source: biac and bsc, 06/2005.
regards

Hi, press.
Honestly I have no good hopes for HKT.
Almost daily one can hear in SE Asia a second tsunami can be expected still this year.
It is in TV, newspapers, in the media.
Meanwhile, 10 international airlines did not resume flights to HKT yet, and there are no rumours they are going to. Also TG cancelled 45 flights per week to the island, that's 'a bird of omen'. If the national carrier does not see an improvement why should others see one, when they have opportunities elsewhere? eg. There is more money to make in China and India for longhaul, isn't it?

You did not specify if BR was a passenger service? BR is procuring a 'fleet' of cargo aircraft, so that might be the reason for filing EBBR. When BR does something CI does it too, and vv.
CI is already stirring the thai market (with trans-pacific offers, and have a look at the BR HNL promo, 430Euro), TG will have a rough time ahead.
CI flies now from BKK to AMS in 744
BR flies now from BKK to AMS, FRA & LON in 744 or A330

Bangkok Airways could be a potential airline for Brussels in the near future...?? In an article at luchtvaartnieuws.nl they mention to have interest in several european and american destinations.

AMS would certainly not become one of the new European destinations, because BKK is already connected by Eva Air, China Airlines and KLM with AMS. (maybe soon Thai Air, if I have to believe the rumors).

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=9169

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 04 Jul 2005, 19:52

There will be in the near future or for a larger period no long haul flights to Brussels if the problems are not solved.
All the possible new carriers stay away because the situation is very unclear and the airlines now at Brussels have already a lot of penalty's.
Brussels will not that, after DHL leaves Brussels in 2008, the slots are taking by other airlines. So, it means jobs loses after DHL and no new jobs, so Zaventem is shrinking.
This was tonight in the news on VRT with an interview of the big boss of EAT.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 05 Jul 2005, 21:26

Today in Justplanes: Etihad will add from the winter schedule the next destinations in their timetable: Brussels, Doha, Jakarta, Johannesburg, Manila, Muscat, Shanghai and Toronto.

Brussels was several times mentioned in the press releases of Etihad.

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 06 Jul 2005, 00:26

Atlantis wrote:Today in Justplanes: Etihad will add from the winter schedule the next destinations in their timetable: Brussels, Doha, Jakarta, Johannesburg, Manila, Muscat, Shanghai and Toronto.

Brussels was several times mentioned in the press releases of Etihad.

Why doubt? Airport Manager Brussels [EY AM ]
Notice: Closing Date: 23/7/2005
Location Worldwide (??)
Qualifications & Experience: Cultural awareness is preferably, as you will be managing a cultural workforce.

regi · Post by **regi** » 06 Jul 2005, 11:06

but still no news from Etihad themselves.
It must be very "exciting" to have an airline run by supporters.

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