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TLspotting wrote: 28 Jun 2018, 11:32 Seems there's the delivery at CRL of OOABE, expected at 15:00 as ABB938B....

Then I see on the CRL website there's the KF938P from Liège at 15:45...

Does anyone have more info ?
OO-ABE just departed Lourdes and doing LDE-LGG-CRL as KF938P/ABB938P
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Arrived at Liège (and Charleroi) !
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domtom wrote: 27 Jun 2018, 11:51 Hi all,

Now that the Hong Kong flights have been going on for a while, how are the flights doing? Load factors, cargo, etc.

Thanks

Mat
And still no answer to this question...why ? Would we have forgotten to count the passengers in and out?

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An airline publish this kind of info in the annual report.
BTW :No reason for sarcasm

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Airbus330lover wrote: 29 Jun 2018, 16:26 An airline publish this kind of info in the annual report.
BTW :No reason for sarcasm
So we will have the professionnal answer the 31 of march in 2019 for all months of 2018...without sarcasm. Thx for answering.

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nordikcam wrote: 29 Jun 2018, 19:54
Airbus330lover wrote: 29 Jun 2018, 16:26 An airline publish this kind of info in the annual report.
BTW :No reason for sarcasm
So we will have the professionnal answer the 31 of march in 2019 for all months of 2018...without sarcasm. Thx for answering.
A private Belgian company that is not registered on a stock market, is not legally forced to publish details like load factors, yield and revenu in its annual account. So it's up to the airline or some other people who have knowledge of the figures, to give an answer to the simple question: is the load factor 25%, 50%, 75% or more?

Regarding their last annual account: I hoped that someone woud have explained if the 4,112,000 Euro "Immobilisations incorporelles" are slots at Hong Kong or something else:
Passenger wrote: 19 Jun 2018, 08:15 For those who are good with figures: their annual account 2017 has been published:
http://cri.nbb.be/bc9/web/catalog?lang= ... 0648801623
click on Download (540 KB)
(or search for 0648801623)

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Passenger wrote: 29 Jun 2018, 21:09
nordikcam wrote: 29 Jun 2018, 19:54
Airbus330lover wrote: 29 Jun 2018, 16:26 An airline publish this kind of info in the annual report.
BTW :No reason for sarcasm
So we will have the professionnal answer the 31 of march in 2019 for all months of 2018...without sarcasm. Thx for answering.
A private Belgian company that is not registered on a stock market, is not legally forced to publish details like load factors, yield and revenu in its annual account. So it's up to the airline or some other people who have knowledge of the figures, to give an answer to the simple question: is the load factor 25%, 50%, 75% or more?

Regarding their last annual account: I hoped that someone woud have explained if the 4,112,000 Euro "Immobilisations incorporelles" are slots at Hong Kong or something else:
Passenger wrote: 19 Jun 2018, 08:15 For those who are good with figures: their annual account 2017 has been published:
http://cri.nbb.be/bc9/web/catalog?lang= ... 0648801623
click on Download (540 KB)
(or search for 0648801623)
I'm certainly not an expert, but I doubt that that information can be derived from the content of their annual account. It could be slots, maybe at HK, but maybe (also) at other airports (CRL!).

It is also possible that they can list under that heading, as investment, all or part of the costs they incurred for training their crews, including for the test flight(s), and ground staff.

And I agree with you that they're probably not obliged to (and imho they shoudn't) divulge their load factor.

I'm not even sure LH and SN are obliged to publish these figures. The LH group does it, maybe to satisfy its shareholders, but avoids to give too many details, and certainly doesn't split them by destination as this is sensitive commercial information imho. It just happens that, for SN, one can calculate the l/f for BOM, based on the monthly pax figures they give for Asia, as BOM is presently their sole destination in that region.

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AB seems to be flying for Air France between CDG and LOS on 3,4,5,6,7,8 July
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26 passengers towards Hong Kong on today's flight:

https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... um-flight/

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Aircraft activity :
ABA : Gone from Paris CDG to Bordeaux, for maintenance at Sabena Technics
ABB : Arrived from HKG at CRL
ABE : Diverted a hour ago at TLS, flying for Air France as CDG-LOS
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https://www.cargoforwarder.eu/2018/06/2 ... r-belgium/

quite an interesting read.
The Belgium-HKG link is very sexy these days, Fedex started it also from LGG, the Alibaba story around it is most likely part of the exitement
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TLspotting wrote: 03 Jul 2018, 17:13 (...)
ABE : Diverted a hour ago at TLS, flying for Air France as CDG-LOS
Medical emergency...
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TLspotting wrote: 03 Jul 2018, 17:13 ABE: Diverted an hour ago at TLS, flying for Air France as CDG-LOS
Why does FR24 mention that the flight departed from LBG? Another glitch?
And if the reason for the diversion is technical, what can we say about the maintenance carried out by the owner, Airbus Financial Services?
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sn26567 wrote: 03 Jul 2018, 17:36
TLspotting wrote: 03 Jul 2018, 17:13 ABE: Diverted an hour ago at TLS, flying for Air France as CDG-LOS
Why does FR24 mention that the flight departed from LBG? Another glitch?
And if the reason for the diversion is technical, what can we say about the maintenance carried out by the owner, Airbus Financial Services?
Yes, glitch coming from FR24, if you see these websites : https://www.radarbox24.com/data/registr ... #864519456 and also on Planefinder replay of flight AF104, it departed well from CDG.
The reason is medical, confirmed by the CEO.

About ABA, scratch on the nose according to a member of AB Fan Group
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TLspotting wrote: 03 Jul 2018, 18:00 The reason is medical, confirmed by the CEO.
OO-ABA is on Planefinder.net indeed- now as AFR104A, and enroute again at this very moment:
https://planefinder.net/flight/AFR104A

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Passenger wrote: 03 Jul 2018, 19:13
TLspotting wrote: 03 Jul 2018, 18:00 The reason is medical, confirmed by the CEO.
OO-ABA is on Planefinder.net indeed- now as AFR104A, and enroute again at this very moment:
https://planefinder.net/flight/AFR104A
It is OOABE, ABA is currently at Bordeaux.
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luchtzak wrote: 02 Jul 2018, 14:36 26 passengers towards Hong Kong on today's flight:

https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... um-flight/
Amazing !!!

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ABA at Bordeaux for C-Check and ABD near to be delivered, also at Charleroi...

Any idea if already registered ? I can't access to FGOV's website...
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TLspotting wrote: 05 Jul 2018, 13:54 ABA at Bordeaux for C-Check and ABD near to be delivered, also at Charleroi...

Any idea if already registered ? I can't access to FGOV's website...
Nope. At this moment, OO-ABD still is a Harvard AT6, which was on the OO-register from 31st May 1961 till 5th June 1961 only.

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ABD would be delivered at the end of summer even if Airbus seems to be doing the delivery before...
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