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Any idea regarding the brussels airlines performances in february '17 regarding PAX, cargo & LF figures? What do you think they will be? When will they communicate about the official figures this time?

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brusselsairlinesfan wrote: 06 Mar 2017, 16:27 Any idea regarding the brussels airlines performances in february '17 regarding PAX, cargo & LF figures? What do you think they will be? When will they communicate about the official figures this time?
Normally around the 10th of the month

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brussels airlines and others LH Group members fly all-female crew to mark international women's day !

http://www.sudinfo.be/1803143/article/2 ... -vols-vers
http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/business/201 ... omens-day/

What a nice initiative!

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brusselsairlinesfan wrote: 08 Mar 2017, 15:50 brussels airlines and others LH Group members fly all-female crew to mark international women's day !

http://www.sudinfo.be/1803143/article/2 ... -vols-vers
http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/business/201 ... omens-day/

What a nice initiative!
And it was on the main page of Luchtzak two days ago ;)

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/austria ... aking-off/
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sn26567 wrote: 08 Mar 2017, 15:59
brusselsairlinesfan wrote: 08 Mar 2017, 15:50 brussels airlines and others LH Group members fly all-female crew to mark international women's day !

http://www.sudinfo.be/1803143/article/2 ... -vols-vers
http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/business/201 ... omens-day/

What a nice initiative!
And it was on the main page of Luchtzak two days ago ;)

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/austria ... aking-off/
Yes ;-) ... more info about that event @ brussels airlines :

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/brussel ... omens-day/

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SN should receive a new business plan by this summer. Curious if it will be positive for SN.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europ ... SKBN16F13S

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Matthias wrote: 08 Mar 2017, 17:22 SN should receive a new business plan by this summer. Curious if it will be positive for SN.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europ ... SKBN16F13S
Der Anschluss...

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brusselsairlinesfan wrote: 08 Mar 2017, 18:02
Matthias wrote: 08 Mar 2017, 17:22 SN should receive a new business plan by this summer. Curious if it will be positive for SN.
http://flightlevel.be/53721/zomer-nieuw ... -airlines/
As a french brussels airlines fan living in Paris, is it possible to have a small english translation please? Dank u ;-)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europ ... SKBN16F13S

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Matthias wrote: 08 Mar 2017, 17:22 SN should receive a new business plan by this summer. Curious if it will be positive for SN.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europ ... SKBN16F13S
http://www.businesstravel.fr/eurowings- ... lines.html

http://www.airliners.de/eurowings-bruss ... tung/40912

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Matthias wrote: 08 Mar 2017, 17:22 SN should receive a new business plan by this summer. Curious if it will be positive for SN.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europ ... SKBN16F13S
What some of us have predicted for about 2 years already is about to happen, no matter how many times we got slated by the fanboys ... sad state of affairs :/

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Only new thing is that he gave, for the first time publicly, a time indication on when clarity on the new SN business model should be known. All the rest has constantly been repeated since the take-over announcement in December, but seems to trigger a new "the beginning of the end" discussion everytime a LH official comments about SN.

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brusselsairlinesfan wrote: 08 Mar 2017, 15:50 brussels airlines and others LH Group members fly all-female crew to mark international women's day !

http://www.sudinfo.be/1803143/article/2 ... -vols-vers
http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/business/201 ... omens-day/

What a nice initiative!
I suppose we'd all be surprised and shocked if one day we celebrate people with blue eyes, redheads or albinos ; expressing our solidarity as if they were equal to others.

I hope that one day the need to claim that a woman deserves the same treatment and has the same rights as a man will seem as odd.
Sad thing that it seems to still be necessary.

A woman is ... a man like any other !
;)

H.A.

PS : nothing personal Brusselsairlinesfan.

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Matthias wrote: 08 Mar 2017, 17:22 SN should receive a new business plan by this summer. Curious if it will be positive for SN.
It seems that the branding is the hot issue that has not been resolved between Brussels Airlines and Lufthansa. Eurowings clearly wants to accelerate the process (after the digestion of the Air Berlin planes), but seems to hit some resistance from the Brussels guys!

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/brussel ... ines-2019/
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sn26567 wrote: 08 Mar 2017, 22:41
Matthias wrote: 08 Mar 2017, 17:22 SN should receive a new business plan by this summer. Curious if it will be positive for SN.
It seems that the branding is the hot issue that has not been resolved between Brussels Airlines and Lufthansa. Eurowings clearly wants to accelerate the process (after the digestion of the Air Berlin planes), but seems to hit some resistance from the Brussels guys!

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/brussel ... ines-2019/
From what I understood, brussels airlines will be rebranded within 1 or 2 years... but it seems clear to me that :
- they will choose one single name for the whole regional/medium/long haul flights (as they say the 51 planes will join Eurowings)
- they will keep a belgian touch... again, my bet on something like belgianwings or eurobelgian wings...

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Having worked 15 years for Sabena and seen that go up in smoke I was really happy to see that Brussels Airlines was slowly but surely taking over and expanding around the world... a bit too slow for my taste as I feel by now they should have been flying to 4-5 destinations in the USA... but to read this now and see that once again a Belgian airline is about to vanish in order to serve the LH needs is beyond sad!
I don't get the Belgian management of the airline just letting the new brand everyone in the company spent time and great effort to develop only to see it become Eurowings or whatever the new name will be... Part of the deal should have been that the name has to remain Brussels Airlines or become Sabena period... and the reason for a deal with LH should have been to allow the airline to expand and not have its name disappear!

Meanwhile the new Air Belgium doesn't seem to move too much in the right direction.... Thomas Cook is talking about leaving Brussels and VLM presented its monopoly game plan for routes that made it feel like it was April 1st!
I'd say thank God for TUIfly Belgium who seems to be the only Belgian airline that is here to stay and doing well not to mention serving every airport in the country!

Sorry that was my 2.5 cents on the sad state of affairs in the Belgian Airline Business...
pretty much the continuation of Sabena, Sobelair, Citybird, Air Belgium, Constellation, CargoB, TEA, Virgin Express, EBA, TNT, VG Air/Delsey and I'm sure I left a few out...

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JustPlanes wrote: 09 Mar 2017, 00:18I don't get the Belgian management of the airline just letting the new brand everyone in the company spent time and great effort to develop only to see it become Eurowings or whatever the new name will be... Part of the deal should have been that the name has to remain Brussels Airlines or become Sabena period... and the reason for a deal with LH should have been to allow the airline to expand and not have its name disappear!
The reason for the deal was to prevent bankruptcy, and after that deal was made it wasn't up to the Belgian shareholders or SN management to decide what would happen. Also the current management has to follow the instructions of the shareholders otherwise they can simply be replaced. I understand your sentiment, but it doesn't have anything to do with reality.

Many European national carriers that outlived Sabena either failed or merged later. To start a national carrier from scratch in such a competitive environment would always have been very difficult, which shows by SN's results over the past decade. Sentiment is good but in the end you have to make a profit. If they only thought of that at Sabena, but that's history. After Sabena's demise any Belgian national carrier was doomed to fail on it's own.

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JustPlanes wrote: 09 Mar 2017, 00:18 I'd say thank God for TUIfly Belgium who seems to be the only Belgian airline that is here to stay and doing well not to mention serving every airport in the country!
I agree that TUI Fly Belgium is doing great, but you cannot call them a Belgian airline either...
They are part of the TUI group, which is ... German.

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Ansett wrote: 08 Mar 2017, 23:42 How long will the resistance of the Brussels guys hold ?
I have not read (correct me if I'm wrong) any communication from LH that SN's long-haul flights will remain "untouched". This is still a grey area, but to me, it is pretty clear by now that SN will be rebranded EW for its European operations. And keeping a Belgian touch, could be anything (like Belgian crews or speculoos on board as another member on the forum said ironically, but not without reason).
Again, SN (sabena/brussels airlines) have been taken in (that is saying it politely) by a foreign investor.
OK, if the SN model is going to be applied to EW in Europe (in Europe only ?), it would be an insult to Brussels Airlines and its customers to rebrand the airline into Eurowings, but that will probably not prevent LH's managers from sleeping.
I'm probably a rebel, but not one without a cause. For a couple of years, I have already tried to avoid flights with airlines of the LH Group because I expected this to happen (please, note the nuance : I'm not saying I will never fly LH again), but my Senator card has been replaced by an AF/KL Gold card. I know that it does not make a difference on the LH balance sheet, because I'm a lonely rebel, but it makes me feel better. What about you ?
I know I am talking to a small audience of aviation fans here, but honestly, who ? in the present situation would still want to fly with the LH Group if he/she has an opportunity to make a different choice ? On top of it, LH/LX/OS are seldom the cheapest.
Those who have the possibility to react now and don't do it, should not whine. Not now, not later.
Funny because I tend to react the same way as you regarding the LH Group (except maybe for OS)... in waiting to know their project for SN... ;)

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I stil fly part of the LH group, namely SN. You have to enjoy it for the time it still lasts :D . But for the rest of the group, they won't see me

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Yuqu12 wrote: 09 Mar 2017, 10:20 I stil fly part of the LH group, namely SN. You have to enjoy it for the time it still lasts :D . But for the rest of the group, they won't see me
It seems there are several "rebels" ;-)

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