Yuqu12 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2017, 16:18
Anyone who has an idea about the cost of such old birds?
The current value of an A340-300 is slim to none, you might find a few online for 20 million but they won't sell for that, if you're able to fetch 10 to 15 million you may kiss both hands (and that is including the engines, fresh out of heavy maintenance, interior,...). You can even find completely VIP configured -500's for about 100 million and even that's a (very) far stretch these days. There's no market for A340's...
Since the SN ones will be LH birds and those will be fully paid now, thus the book (economic) value of these may even be (far) below 10 million USD a piece, basically the value of the engines, gear,...
DeltaWiskey wrote: ↑18 Oct 2017, 17:05
Brussels Airlines will not buy the aircraft. They will be leased from the LH Group. It's all very hypothetical what LH will charge to SN, as SN will charge it back to Eurowings. What comes around goes around.
But in the end, the passengers have to pay for it. And if there are more passengers than necessary to cover the costs, there is profit: which company will benefit from this profit?
And if there are not enough passengers, are tickets are sold too cheap: who bares the losses?
sn26567 wrote: ↑17 Oct 2017, 11:51
An article in ch-aviation says "bmi regional set to assume two Brussels Airlines' routes". As it is available only with a paid subscription, does anyone have more information?
If I have a guess, I would say that bmi regional will continue to fly the SN routes to Bristol and Newcastle, but under its own name.
More details:
BMI Regional to assume selected flights from Brussels Airlines, including routes from Brussels to Bristol and Nuremberg, effective 29 October 2017. Brussels Airlines will codeshare on the services.
AirOpinion wrote: ↑18 Oct 2017, 17:51
What does it matter? Brussels Airlines is LH Group, no?
What is your point? Yes, money is shoved around, but in the end SN ends up with more of it. That is ok in my book. It is better than being bailed out like a couple of years ago.
PttU wrote: ↑18 Oct 2017, 18:07
But in the end, the passengers have to pay for it. And if there are more passengers than necessary to cover the costs, there is profit: which company will benefit from this profit?
And if there are not enough passengers, are tickets are sold too cheap: who bares the losses?
Like I said, SN gets a fixed amount, and the risk is for EW. SN makes profit either way.
Duke wrote: ↑18 Oct 2017, 10:41
I think it's good news for SN, as it gives SN pilots a lot of new opportunities.
Ok, maybe flying out of Düsseldorf, but Düsseldorf is not the end of the world I think?
Don't think so, new pilots will be recruited for DUS, with a specific, probably worse, contract.
I got a SN booking Brussels to Bremen on 8 december back on the 11th.
Want to book for a friend, but all Bremen flights have been taken out of the booking engine.
Does anyone know why ?
Yuqu12 wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 08:59
In the very best case, all these flights are fully booked and they don't show them anymore.
Just got word back from SN, they cancelled the route and will rebook all passengers on LH via FRA and MUC.
Actually it is sad to see that SN becomes a holiday-charter company.
Their ambition to be a network airline does not look serious.
If they cannot fill a plane per day to and from a city like Bremen, then there must be a weak marketing or sales department there.
The success of Swiss and Austrian is to have several feeder flights a day to many 'secondary' cities , as well as international. Of course I know you need regional planes like ATR for short disctances and maybe some Embraers for less shorter .
SN is moving towards EW modell i am afraid, rather than the opposite..
Yuqu12 wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 08:59
In the very best case, all these flights are fully booked and they don't show them anymore.
Just got word back from SN, they cancelled the route and will rebook all passengers on LH via FRA and MUC.
Actually it is sad to see that SN becomes a holiday-charter company.
Their ambition to be a network airline does not look serious.
If they cannot fill a plane per day to and from a city like Bremen, then there must be a weak marketing or sales department there.
The success of Swiss and Austrian is to have several feeder flights a day to many 'secondary' cities , as well as international. Of course I know you need regional planes like ATR for short disctances and maybe some Embraers for less shorter .
SN is moving towards EW modell i am afraid, rather than the opposite..
I took the bremen flight at least 4times per year and every time it was a full or near full flight, so i wouldnt have any idea why they would give up this route. (50 seater)
Shengenzone wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 18:37
I took the bremen flight at least 4times per year and every time it was a full or near full flight, so i wouldnt have any idea why they would give up this route. (50 seater)
A pity to discontinue a successful destination! I think the Bremen flight is/was a loop in a whole circuit operated by bmi, partly for its own account.
Maybe SN and bmi couln't agree on the conditions for the continuation. And an A319 or a Sukhoi were deemed too big planes for this service.
Shengenzone wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 18:37
I took the bremen flight at least 4times per year and every time it was a full or near full flight, so i wouldnt have any idea why they would give up this route. (50 seater)
A pity to discontinue a successful destination! I think the Bremen flight is/was a loop in a whole circuit operated by bmi, partly for its own account.
Maybe SN and bmi couln't agree on the conditions for the continuation. And an A319 or a Sukhoi were deemed too big planes for this service.
Pity indeed that, with the end of the bmi contract, SN does no longer have aeroplanes in the 50-seat category. But there is still a hope that bmi might take over the route on its own, like for the Bristol and Nuremberg routes on which SN will only be too happy to codeshare...
Shengenzone wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 18:37
I took the bremen flight at least 4times per year and every time it was a full or near full flight, so i wouldnt have any idea why they would give up this route. (50 seater)
A pity to discontinue a successful destination! I think the Bremen flight is/was a loop in a whole circuit operated by bmi, partly for its own account.
Maybe SN and bmi couln't agree on the conditions for the continuation. And an A319 or a Sukhoi were deemed too big planes for this service.
Pity indeed that, with the end of the bmi contract, SN does no longer have aeroplanes in the 50-seat category. But there is still a hope that bmi might take over the route on its own, like for the Bristol and Nuremberg routes on which SN will only be too happy to codeshare...
However, for early November, the Hannover flights continue (3/day), some operated by CityJet (Sukhoi), the others by bmi (ERJ145); the Turin flights will be operated by bmi (1/day); the Nantes flights will be operated by CityJet (2/day); the Billund flights (2 or 3/day) by CityJet.
So, only the FlyBe are being completely discontinued apparently.
Duke wrote: ↑21 Oct 2017, 15:53
Both are actually in Star Alliance colours... Will they keep that livery?
Maybe only changing "Lufthansa" in "Brussels Airlines"?
That would be awesome but unfortunately they will be flying for Eurowings and they are not a Star Alliance member so it would be weird to have Star Alliance planes flying around with EW titles even though they're not a member. And I doubt LH can arrange it in a few months to get EW as a member. SN is a *A member but they are acting here as an ACMI operator only providing aircraft, crew, maintenance, insurance while EW does the the selling part.
It would be great though... The sole A319 *A plane in SN's fleet is a bit lonely
