Turkish cargo B-747 down on houses, 39 killed...

[stratofreighter]

A Boeing 747 and its' crew lost is bad enough, but if people living in residential areas are involved it is even worse...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38633526
points towards
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tc-mcl ,
listing MyCargo TC-MCL .

[Homo Aeroportus]

A Boeing 747 and its' crew lost is bad enough, but if people living in residential areas are involved it is even worse...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38633526
points towards
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tc-mcl ,
listing MyCargo TC-MCL .

The BBC article refers to the village of Dasha Su Дача Суу.
This seems to imply it was an overrun at landing.

RIP.

H.A.

[luchtzak]

Some more tweets and pictures: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/act-air ... yrgyzstan/

[stratofreighter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reTdYeHKE7A

Video from the crash site transport aircraft under the airport "Manas"

Zanoza.kg shot video on top of the wreckage of the cargo plane, which was flying from Hong Kong to Bishkek

[luchtzak]

Terrible Turkish Airlines communication:

[stratofreighter]

...one can only hope there was no-one in this room when this main wheel smashed the wall...
http://data.zanoza.kg/image/big/2017-01 ... 3161_w.jpg
Yep, those clothes on that rack can use another wash...

[Established02]

Terrible Turkish Airlines communication

I guess the contract with ACT made it clear that TK is legally not responsible for this kind of operational issues.

Businesses often operate in a cold and hard way.

How would you advise them to communicate better?

How would SN management react differently if something similar would occur with a BMI or FLYBE aircraft that is operating for SN?

[flightlover]

Terrible Turkish Airlines communication

I guess the contract with ACT made it clear that TK is legally not responsible for this kind of operational issues.

Businesses often operate in a cold and hard way.

How would you advise them to communicate better?

How would SN management react differently if something similar would occur with a BMI or FLYBE aircraft that is operating for SN?

They could at least state their deepest sympathy towards family and friends of the victims. It would still contain the same message without sounding as if they are relieved it is not one of theirs.

[jan_olieslagers]

Isn't it strange they needed a refuel on the leg from Hong Kong to Istanbul? An indication they were heavily loaded?

[Yuqu12]

Isn't it strange they needed a refuel on the leg from Hong Kong to Istanbul? An indication they were heavily loaded?

I was thinking exactly the same...

[luchtzak]

Terrible Turkish Airlines communication

I guess the contract with ACT made it clear that TK is legally not responsible for this kind of operational issues.

Businesses often operate in a cold and hard way.

How would you advise them to communicate better?

How would SN management react differently if something similar would occur with a BMI or FLYBE aircraft that is operating for SN?

They could at least state their deepest sympathy towards family and friends of the victims. It would still contain the same message without sounding as if they are relieved it is not one of theirs.

Well they did show their sympathy with the victims, yet in another tweet. The second tweet is unlucky ...

[Passenger]

Isn't it strange they needed a refuel on the leg from Hong Kong to Istanbul? An indication they were heavily loaded?

There are no indications they were "heavily loaded". Hong Kong-Bishkek-Istanbul is a scheduled cargo route for TK. Actually, the same aircraft did the same routing also on 12/13 Jan 2017: then as TK-6489 (today's crash was TK-6491). And the same TK-6491 with the same routing is planned for 19-20 January (although that flight may now change).

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tc-mcl

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/tk6491

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/tk6489

[sn26567]

The story on The Aviation Herald:

https://t.co/yRErdYQDwS

[sn26567]

Well they did show their sympathy with the victims, yet in another tweet. The second tweet is unlucky ...

"Our condolences to the families of those who have lost their lives in the tragic incident involving an ACT Airlines aircraft in Kyrgyzstan."

[jan_olieslagers]

@Passenger: thanks for info! I must have been misled by the article at https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20170116-0 where it is stated they made a refuelling stop. If it is a scheduled stop, may we assume they have traffic rights from Bishkek to Istanbul and perhaps even between Hong-Kong and Bishkek?

[Cody12]

A Boeing 747 and its' crew lost is bad enough, but if people living in residential areas are involved it is even worse...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38633526
points towards
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tc-mcl ,
listing MyCargo TC-MCL .

B 747 deviated from the runway resulting in hitting a village near the airport. Loss of 37 lives have been reported including 20 natives of the village

[sn26567]

The flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder, which were retrieved earlier this week from the ACT Airlines Boeing 747 freighter crash site, have been sent to Moscow for analysis, the Kyrgyzstan government said in a statement.

The analysis will be performed by Russia’s Interstate Aviation Committee and experts from Turkey, where the aircraft was owned and registered.

http://atwonline.com/safety/act-airline ... w-analysis

[sn26567]

ACT Airlines 747F recorders significantly damaged

The flight data recorder (FDR) and the cockpit voice recorder (CVR)—which were retrieved last week from the ACT Airlines Boeing 747 freighter crash site and sent to Moscow for analysis—have significant mechanical damage and high temperature traces, according to Russia’s Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC).

The IAC said in a statement it is not possible to read the information in traditional way.

The memory modules have been removed from the protected cases. Preliminary analysis on the FDR has shown it contains information about the accident. Investigators continue to restore the interface of CVR.

The analysis work is being performed with experts from the Aircraft accident Investigation Board of Turkey (KAIK), US FAA, US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), Boeing, Kyrgyzstan authorities and ACT Airlines representatives.

http://atwonline.com/safety/act-airline ... ly-damaged

[Passenger]

ACT Airlines 747F recorders significantly damaged
The flight data recorder (FDR) and the cockpit voice recorder (CVR)—which were retrieved last week from the ACT Airlines Boeing 747 freighter crash site and sent to Moscow for analysis—have significant mechanical damage and high temperature traces, according to Russia’s Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC).
The IAC said in a statement it is not possible to read the information in traditional way.
The memory modules have been removed from the protected cases. Preliminary analysis on the FDR has shown it contains information about the accident. Investigators continue to restore the interface of CVR.
The analysis work is being performed with experts from the Aircraft accident Investigation Board of Turkey (KAIK), US FAA, US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), Boeing, Kyrgyzstan authorities and ACT Airlines representatives.
http://atwonline.com/safety/act-airline ... ly-damaged

"...On Jan 24th 2017 the MAK announced that the cockpit voice recorder data have been successfully retrieved in good recording quality, the analysis work of both flight data and cockpit voice recorder has begun..."(AvHerald)

[sn26567]

Pilot error, controller oversight shortcomings and a potentially confusing or potentially dangerous autopilot mode are key takeaways from a preliminary report on the crash of an ACT Airlines Boeing 747-400 freighter crash following an error prone instrument approach to the Manas International Airport in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan, on the morning of Jan. 16.

Russian investigators indicate that the crew knew the aircraft was too high on its approach before it overflew Bishkek airport and crashed far beyond the end of the runway. But the low-visibility approach was belatedly aborted, and a go-around only executed after the aircraft had descended below a 100ft decision height – too late to clear terrain. The investigators request 747 autopilot changes.

https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20170116-0
http://atwonline.com/safety/russia-requ ... hkek-crash
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ir-435569/

The Russian preliminary report in full: http://reports.aviation-safety.net/2017 ... TC-MCL.pdf