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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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If you read the conditions, the student will pay 3x 10,000 euros for 39 months of courses, and during that period he will be paid 50,000 euros for his work on the ground.
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sn26567 wrote: 04 Apr 2017, 09:28 If you read the conditions, the student will pay 3x 10,000 euros for 39 months of courses, and during that period he will be paid 50,000 euros for his work on the ground.
So basically he get's 512,82 EUR a month for the work and the studying (after deducting the 30.000 EUR). Without deducting the 30.000 EUR the person will get a monthly wage of 1.282 EUR which is quite low... Just saying ;)

TUI is getting very cheap labor.

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On the other hand a student would otherwise pay 4 times as much without getting a wage...

But isn't there an oversupply in Belgium of (young) unemployed pilots wanting to fly at almost any cost?
Even if they would bind themselves to an airline for a few years with a lower wage than what the market normally dictates...just to build flighthours, experience, pay back a loan, work near your home,...?

I don't exactly understand why an airline would engage in an own flightschool if there's is no shortage and not really a financial gain as the price for the training would be 4 times lower as 'normal' ??

Cheap labor? They mentioned only 12 persons are admitted in the program...on the total of staff this is rather a tiny group, ain't gonna make or break the financial results. They still have to pay social security, gross wage, hours of the pilot-trainers, writing-off of a (very expensive) flightsimulator, etc...

I don't really see the gain for the airline, certainly with an oversupply of pilots at the moment...

Maybe someone can offer me another view on this ;-)

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Hi,

I encourage the philosophy behind this idea, i.e. lowering the cost of pilot training, so that pilot training will become more affordable and more young people with the right skills, attitude and passion for aviation will be able to start pilot training.

However, I find it just too good to be true, being able to offer a pilot training at approx. 25% of the cost of an ATPL training course. There must be a catch to this...

I am wondering if someone can properly explain the difference between an MPL licence and an ATPL licence.

I've already done some research and the consensus of my sources is that MPL training focuses in an early stage on the eventual job as an airline pilot in a multi-crew environment (as the licence title says...), whereas a full ATPL training teaches you the more profound single pilot skills of aviation where a student would need more single pilot flight hours. Also, MPL licence holders are tied to the airline (i.e. TUI in this case) until they have reached a certain amount of flying hours.

As to my understanding TUI standards for pilots have always been very high, and it would surprise me that TUI would jeopardize its reputation on this matter. On the other hand, I fully understand that an airline such as TUI wants to focus more on the eventual job of these students, which is operating in a multi-crew environment, instead of flying GA aircraft during the weekend.

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Kapitein wrote: 01 Apr 2017, 19:28 Apperently TUI received a new ERJ-190 on 30/03 OO-TEA
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Bralo20 wrote: 04 Apr 2017, 11:05
sn26567 wrote: 04 Apr 2017, 09:28 If you read the conditions, the student will pay 3x 10,000 euros for 39 months of courses, and during that period he will be paid 50,000 euros for his work on the ground.
So basically he get's 512,82 EUR a month for the work and the studying (after deducting the 30.000 EUR). Without deducting the 30.000 EUR the person will get a monthly wage of 1.282 EUR which is quite low... Just saying ;)

TUI is getting very cheap labor.
TUI and the extortion of young pilots ....the saga continues

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sean1982 wrote: 08 Apr 2017, 10:19... extortion of young pilots ...
Well, I don't have solid arguments to disagree about the "extortion" bit, but at least they will operate within the legal borders of the tax/social security system. Which can't be said.... [continue reading in the Ryanair topic]

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DIBO wrote: 08 Apr 2017, 11:33
sean1982 wrote: 08 Apr 2017, 10:19... extortion of young pilots ...
Well, I don't have solid arguments to disagree about the "extortion" bit, but at least they will operate within the legal borders of the tax/social security system. Which can't be said.... [continue reading in the Ryanair topic]
Here we go again...
SN, TCAB and TUI all have self-employed contract pilots!!

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The way they hire their pilots is very frustrating indeed for experienced pilots like me who would like to join them. On the other hand have they offered many pilots their first jobs. The terms and conditions are what they are and it is up to the pilots to accept them.

What I find annoying is that they only hire young people or experienced people with E190 or 737 type ratings. I never get a chance to get a job with them, because I have too much experience for the first case but not the required rating for the second case.

Don't they understand that if they would offer someone like me a job, that I would never leave them again. I know the value of being home after so many years away.

Ah well... I keep applying for a job with them. Maybe one day I will get an invitation for an interview.... who knows.

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Hi,
I was looking around on the website of Tuifly and I saw something interesting. Their site states that they have 16 B737-800's in their fleet and the last two of their list are OO-TUP "DESTINY" & OO-TUX "INTUITION". Does anybody has more information about these two frames?

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Hello,
I read something new probably related to TUI fly Belgium...

"Boeing 767 -316 27613 652 HB-JJF Privatair to leave SNN for wet-lease ops in special TUI livery in mid-apr17 ex CC-CBJ"

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Airbus A330 wrote: 14 Apr 2017, 11:22 Hello,
I read something new probably related to TUI fly Belgium...

"Boeing 767 -316 27613 652 HB-JJF Privatair to leave SNN for wet-lease ops in special TUI livery in mid-apr17 ex CC-CBJ"
HB-JJF will operate the summer season for TUI Airlines Netherlands

Source: www.planespotters.net

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Konus wrote: 15 Apr 2017, 14:27HB-JJF will operate the summer season for TUI Airlines Netherlands

Source: www.planespotters.net
Thanks a lot, Konus! ;)

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Hi,

OO-JAA (737-8K5) returning to Brussels after leasing to Miami Air International

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I didn't have catch this 737 yet... (Before the leasing)

I don't know if its has new livery or not

Greetings,
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The first TUI fly Belgium flights from Brussels to Araxos and Volos (Greece) and Tivat (Montenegro) take to the skies these days.
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I just booked a TUI flight to Punta Cana. Some real bargains out there to PUJ, CUN and VAR these days. Are they having problems filling their flights?

Any real difference between the first and second economy cabin on the Boeing 787?

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flymd11 wrote: 03 May 2017, 21:28 I just booked a TUI flight to Punta Cana. Some real bargains out there to PUJ, CUN and VAR these days. Are they having problems filling their flights?

Any real difference between the first and second economy cabin on the Boeing 787?
For what dates?

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Many dates in May.

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flymd11 wrote: 03 May 2017, 21:28 I just booked a TUI flight to Punta Cana. Some real bargains out there to PUJ, CUN and VAR these days. Are they having problems filling their flights?
Not sure, but might have to do with the fact that hurricane season is coming up in the Atlantic. As such, local weather conditions could (!) be less favourite than e.g. December-January.

On the other hand, due to geopolitical climate in some parts of the world, I can imagine that demand for summer holidays to the Caribbean has gone up significantly compared to e.g. 2-3 years ago.

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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Isn't hurricane season from August on?

I cannot seem to find any trip reports for a TUI Belgium long haul. Is the front half of 787 economy cabin worth the extra money? How much is the IFE?

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