When an A319 collides with a CRJ .....

Join this forum to discuss the latest news that happened in the world of commercial aviation.

Moderator: Latest news team

Post Reply
User avatar
Avro
Posts: 8856
Joined: 28 Apr 2003, 00:00
Location: Belgium

When an A319 collides with a CRJ .....

Post by Avro »

According to Mhtfueler (photographer on A.net) N668BR a CRJ of UA has been hit a few days ago by an A319 of NW (N348NB).

This is the result:

Image
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/614245/M/ A perforated rudder 8O

Greetz
Chris

User avatar
L-1011
Posts: 940
Joined: 10 Jul 2003, 00:00
Location: Royal Observatory of Belgium, Brussels

Post by L-1011 »

ouch :dammit:

At least now we know how high an A319 wing is compared to a CRJ tail .....

Does anyone have more info :?:

User avatar
sn26567
Posts: 40836
Joined: 13 Feb 2003, 00:00
Location: Rosières/Rozieren, Belgium
Contact:

Post by sn26567 »

Can the plane still fly with such a rudder?

Thanks for your discovery, Chris.
André
ex Sabena #26567

User avatar
Zorba
Posts: 1733
Joined: 04 Apr 2003, 00:00
Contact:

Post by Zorba »

LOL André, I think there is no chance this plane could fly with that rudder :wink: Indeed, it's quite a high wing from the A319 (or just a small CRJ :lol: )

Regards,
Rutger
Tot hier en verder

User avatar
Lyulka
Posts: 555
Joined: 04 Dec 2002, 00:00
Location: EBBR
Contact:

Post by Lyulka »

Can anyone give a discription of how the wing of the A319 hit the CRJ? Because I would have expected to see a sign of a winglet in his tail? Or did the airbus just hit the crj from behind?

User avatar
nwa757
Posts: 1103
Joined: 17 Jul 2003, 00:00
Location: Green Bay, Wisconsin - USA
Contact:

Post by nwa757 »

Well the damage isn't very bad. The rudder can be replaced and the plane will be able to go in service shortly.
Onward and Upward...

User avatar
luchtzak
Posts: 11737
Joined: 18 Sep 2002, 00:00
Location: Hofstade, Zemst - Belgium
Contact:

Post by luchtzak »

sn26567 wrote:Can the plane still fly with such a rudder?
I think it can, however I suggest to fix it first before flight. I think they even need to do a test-flight to check the status of the rudder.

User avatar
B744skipper
Posts: 1509
Joined: 21 Apr 2004, 00:00

Post by B744skipper »

If the Captain of the A319 is responsible for the mishap, will he be punished in any way?
Or someone else that could be hold responsible for the mishap?
I wonder what a new rudder would cost, maybe around $120.000? Has someone a fix on that?

User avatar
luchtzak
Posts: 11737
Joined: 18 Sep 2002, 00:00
Location: Hofstade, Zemst - Belgium
Contact:

Post by luchtzak »

B744skipper wrote:If the Captain of the A319 is responsible for the mishap, will he be punished in any way?
I don't think it's a pilot-error, it looks more like a towing-incident.

User avatar
Avro
Posts: 8856
Joined: 28 Apr 2003, 00:00
Location: Belgium

Post by Avro »

luchtzak wrote:
sn26567 wrote:Can the plane still fly with such a rudder?
I think it can, however I suggest to fix it first before flight. I think they even need to do a test-flight to check the status of the rudder.
Technically I think like Bart and say it COULD fly with such rudder. The flight performance wouldn't be optimal though. But the regulations are tough and you won't see that bird flying in such conditions of course ;)

I'm not sure whether you need to do a test flight for such a repair,but I think you do. :?

Greetz
Chris
8)

sjakie
Posts: 5
Joined: 24 Jun 2004, 00:00

Post by sjakie »

You can fly that plane? :roll: Well, don't underestimate the aerodynamical forces on a rudder! If with such a crack he makes only a small movement, the forces could rip off the upper part of the rudder. An absolute no-go.

User avatar
nwa757
Posts: 1103
Joined: 17 Jul 2003, 00:00
Location: Green Bay, Wisconsin - USA
Contact:

Post by nwa757 »

sjakie wrote:You can fly that plane? :roll: Well, don't underestimate the aerodynamical forces on a rudder! If with such a crack he makes only a small movement, the forces could rip off the upper part of the rudder. An absolute no-go.
I agree with Luchtzak. I think the CRJ would be able to fly with that rudder. I have seen many pictures of B-17s and B-29s flying around with even less of a rudder (and sometimes most of the tail missing too), during WWII
Onward and Upward...

sjakie
Posts: 5
Joined: 24 Jun 2004, 00:00

Post by sjakie »

Don't you forget the elevator is on top of the vertical stabiliser on the CRJ!!! No vertical stabiliser means you are dead on a T-tail. And don't forget, a B-17 flies at half the speed of a CRJ.

Post Reply