Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is missing

[teddybAIR]

The sad thing is that my rather ludicrous conspiracy theory has not yet been whiped off the the table by lack of any kind of other evidence.

Are you waiting for proof that something didn't happen?

[teddybAIR]

Money:
take a step away from the day to day flux of useless information and look at the broader picture. It shows that all those involved nations have no capabilities for prolonged deep sea missions, no sufficient aerial reconnaisance equipment, no capable satellite coverage and so on.
Malaysia should conduct those search activities in the first place. But how?
Australia shows some action despite there is no real obligation or interest for them. Except to show to the rest that what they do is still 10 times more than all the rest together.
Is that not a huge market? Patrol airplanes, deep sea vessels , satellites , yummy yummy for the companies involved.
And the impact on civil aviation: where will this lead us to, to accept that every airplane must be equiped with a active transponder, tracker ?

Why the hell would you invest al that money for a scenario that just happened for the first time in modern aviation?! You'd suggest an industry to invest billions in those assets that will be deployed once every what? 5 years? And for what reason? To justify our appetite for fast news? They'll find MH370, rest assured. Just accept that it is far and deep and that it will take years because it is such a remote probability event...period. Those millions you suggest to invest can probably better be invested in other assets that positively influence flight safety because remember that we live in a world with limited resources.

[teddybAIR]

I just read that in the aftermath of Air France 447 US officials have approved a new 90-day standard for pingers in order to account for search operations that have to be conducted in difficult circumstances.

By 2015 all new aircraft should be equiped with 90day pingers and by 2020 all older aircraft need to be retrofitted. Since this is an FAA requirement, I expect this to be applicable to all N-registered aircraft. I have not searched for confirmation whether other aviation authorities are taking similar actions.

[regi]

The sad thing is that my rather ludicrous conspiracy theory has not yet been whiped off the the table by lack of any kind of other evidence.

Are you waiting for proof that something didn't happen?

Well, yes.
To be honnest: I had a strange feeling about this event after 1 or 2 days that nothing had been found.
This is completely different than the AF crash above the Atlantic. Everybody knew that it would take some days to find debris because of the distance. But I didn't read reports that they would start looking in the Amazone jungle or around Antartica.
There is something really dodgy about this flight. The search operation at that remote location sounds so... irrelevant.

[Acid-drop]

We can change the name of the topic again ...

[teddybAIR]

In the mean time, Malaysia has sent a preliminary report to ICAO (not published yet). According to ICAO it includes the safety recommendation to investigate real time tracking of commercial aircraft, which is a repetition of the recommendation that was made after the disappearance of AF447.

Meanwhile Bluefin-21, the underwater drone has commenced it's 13th mission today and is said to have scanned 95% of its designated search area without success. This means that it is now highly probable that the search effort will take years, if not decades as the search now will have to be extended to an unprecedented large area. In order to prioritise that area, in first instance the search will focus on the estimated last 370 miles of the flight path and extending 15 miles either side of the estimated track.

Reverting to large area search means that other type of assets with larger range will be deployed in the coming days at the expense of resolution. A submersible having these capabilities will be flown over from the United States. Parallel to that, investigators wil scrutinize the calculations of the flight path to check for errors and possible optimizations. Although that has been ongoing business for the last 49 days, they cannot afford the luxury not to look at the calculations critically once again.

The world will have to come to terms with the fact that until now we lacked the technology to prevent a state of the art aircraft to simply disappear from radar and vanish over one of earth's most remote areas rendering the search nearly impossible.

[globetrotter]

Very fishy, something is going on behind the scenes and these people just do not know how to handle it, I wish someone spills the beans on whatever is being kept secret, how dare they announce a crash with no survivors without finding a clue, but I believe some planted debris is said to be showing up now.

I suspect its a Hijack with negotiations going on, wanted technology onboard, the hijackers could be working in collusion with some govt. as a cover up and not just for their own personal gain, Just hope and pray all the passengers are safe.

[sn26567]

The Malaysian prime minister has finally confirmed reports that the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 was tracked by military radar.

Najib Razak said a preliminary report into the incident would be made available to the public over the course of the coming week. It is expected to raise the issue of how Malaysia's air force and surveillance networks failed to track the plane once it lost contact with civilian air traffic controllers.

Previous reports have suggested that on the night of MH370's disappearance on 8 March, military radar picked up a mysterious aircraft moving across the Malaysian peninsula, but government officials have remained vague on any link to the missing Boeing 777.

Speaking to CNN, Najib confirmed that the radar did indeed track the plane once it had turned back from its original flight path — but said that this was only established "after the event".

He said he believed there was someone monitoring the radar at the time, but that nothing more was done to investigate the unidentified aircraft because "it was deemed not to be hostile. It behaved like a commercial airline, following a normal flight path".

More in The Times of India

[teddybAIR]

Very fishy, something is going on behind the scenes and these people just do not know how to handle it, I wish someone spills the beans on whatever is being kept secret, how dare they announce a crash with no survivors without finding a clue, but I believe some planted debris is said to be showing up now.

I suspect its a Hijack with negotiations going on, wanted technology onboard, the hijackers could be working in collusion with some govt. as a cover up and not just for their own personal gain, Just hope and pray all the passengers are safe.

You condemn authorities on a false belief that they hide reality, yet in the second paragraph of your post you do not refrain from creating yet another theory that adds even more uncertainty based on nothing but thin air. A little bit more respect for both the victims and the search parties would be appropriate I guess.

[teddybAIR]

He said he believed there was someone monitoring the radar at the time, but that nothing more was done to investigate the unidentified aircraft because "it was deemed not to be hostile. It behaved like a commercial airline, following a normal flight path".

If that is indeed true, then I would launch an audit on how commercial and military air traffic control in Malaysia communicate with each other because it is indicative of a failure to report a missing civil jet to military authorities or to an appropriate RCC in due time.

[sn26567]

The search for the missing Malaysian plane is entering a "new phase", Australia has announced, after the initial undersea search found nothing.

PM Tony Abbott said that "a much larger" area of the ocean floor would now be targeted.

But he said it was "highly unlikely" any surface wreckage would be found, and suspended aerial searches.

Details: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27184295

And The Aviation Herald has started a new thread on flight MH370 after the previous one has been running for 52 days:

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b/027&opt=0

[Treeper]

seems there could be another lead. Australian and Malaysian media are picking it up:

FIRST ON 7: An Adelaide-based exploration company believes it may have located the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, 5000km away from where authorities have been looking.

The company, GeoResonance, says its research has identified elements on the ocean floor consistent with material from a plane.
Six weeks have now passed since the plane disappeared and extensive searches in the Indian Ocean have failed to locate any wreckage.
Today, Prime Minister Tony Abbott admitted the chance of finding debris on the surface is slim to none.
He said efforts will not focus on the ocean floor, but GeoResonance believes authorities have been looking in the wrong place.
It started its own search for the missing aircraft on March 10.
“The technology that we use was originally designed to find nuclear warheads, submarines… our team in the Ukraine decided we should try and help,” David Pope from GeoResonance said.
The company surveyed over 2,000,000 square kilometres of the possible crash zone, using images obtained from satellites and aircraft.
Scientists focused their efforts north of the flight’s last known location, using over 20 technologies to analyse the data including a nuclear reactor.
They could not believe what they found in the Bay of Bengal.
“Our team was very excited when we found what we believe to be the wreckage of a commercial airliner,” Mr Pope said.
Pavel Kursa from GeoResonance told 7News: “We identified chemical elements and materials that make up a Boeing 777… these are aluminium, titanium, copper, steel alloys and other materials.”
The images showing chemical elements detected in the area the company believes it has located MH370. Photo: FIRST ON 7.

An initial report was sent to authorities while the black box still had two weeks of battery power.
The team then verified its findings by analysing images from the same area on March 5, three days before the plane disappeared.
“The wreckage wasn’t there prior to the disappearance of MH370,” Mr Pope said.
The full report was delivered on April 15.
“We’re not trying to say that it definitely is MH370, however it is a lead we feel should be followed up,” Mr Pope told 7News.
7News tried to contact the office of search co-coordinator Angus Houston today but there was no response.

Source: https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/23036893 ... und-mh370/

[Passenger]

On 1st May, Malaysia's Ministry of Transport has released a first official report:

http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b/028&opt=0

[sn26567]

On 1st May, Malaysia's Ministry of Transport has released a first official report:

http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b/028&opt=0

A very long and detailed report, but still no clues where the plane actually has crashed. Also some cargo manifests showing that the plane had a lot of Li-ion batteries on board, all packed according the safety regulations.

An interesting map published by Reuters showing a new last observed location on military radars:

This map also shows an error made by controllers in locating the aircraft much further away on its intended route.

Some 25 minutes after the Malaysian jet was first reported missing over the Gulf of Thailand on March 8, the airline told controllers that it had flown onto Cambodian airspace. It later added it had been able to exchange signals, the report said.

Half an hour later, the airline reassured controllers that the Boeing 777 was in a "normal condition" based on a signal placing it even further east, on the other side of Vietnam.

In fact, by then it had flown back west across Malaysia and was already on a new southerly course thought to have taken it across the tip of Indonesia and towards the Indian Ocean, where investigators believe it crashed with 239 people on board.

The false trail appears to have cost controllers time, according to maps and a chronology released on Thursday.

Unnoticed by civil controllers because its transponder was switched off, and deemed no threat by a military radar controller, the aircraft flew back across Malaysia and the Malacca Straits for an hour while the airline believed it was in Cambodian and then Vietnamese airspace.

The airline later told controllers the information had been based on a "projection" and was not reliable, according to the report.

[sn26567]

Funerals planned for Australian passengers on missing Malaysia jet

The first funeral service for passengers from a missing Malaysian jetliner will be held in Australia this weekend, nearly eight weeks after the plane disappeared and apparently crashed in the remote southern Indian Ocean.

Despite the most intensive air, sea and underwater search in commercial aviation history, no trace of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 has been found since it vanished on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8.

Family and friends of Rod and Mary Burrows, two of six Australians on board the flight, will be holding a formal memorial in Brisbane on Sunday, according to a statement on behalf of the family released by police on Friday.

Malaysia Airlines this week urged families who have remained in Kuala Lumpur to return home, saying they would be kept informed, and pledged to pay early compensation to those who qualified.

Source: Reuters. More details: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/ ... 7T20140502

[regi]

There is still that report of oil rigg workers south of Vung Tau, Vietnam, who saw something like an explosion in the sky.
But if that would have happened, there should have been found debris already a long time ago.

Now it is back to the Bengali Gulf for the search.

What next?

[teddybAIR]

According to CNN, the preliminary report that was released on thursday already dates from april 9th and is a mere 5 pages long. Talking about a total disrespect for the families of the victims! The reports gives some new insights such as:

> Malaysian airlines operations center told military authorities that the airliner was still on course while military had already started search efforts;
> Kuala Lumpur RCC was only notified 3h52 after the moment where Kuala Lumpur ATC indicated it had lost radio contact
> Safety recomendation: to study the benefits of real time tracking over remote locations such as oceans since real time tracking is currently implemented through amongst others ADS-B technology.

[teddybAIR]

The European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) today announced new proposals for flight recorders and underwater locating devices which aim at facilitating the recovery of an aircraft and of its flight recorders in the unfortunate eventuality of an accident.

The new EASA requirements include the extension of the transmission time of underwater locating devices (ULD) fitted on flight recorders from 30 days to 90 days. EASA also proposes to equip large aeroplanes overflying oceans with a new type of ULD that have longer locating range than the current flight recorders ULDs. Alternatively, aircraft may be equipped with a means to determine the location of an accident within 6 Nautical Miles accuracy. In addition, the minimum recording duration of Cockpit Voice Recorders installed on new large aeroplanes should be increased to 20 hours from two 2 hours today.

Patrick Ky, EASA Executive Director said: “The tragic flight of Malaysia Airlines MH370 demonstrates that safety can never be taken for granted. The proposed changes are expected to increase safety by facilitating the recovery of information by safety investigation authorities”.

These new requirements are included in an EASA Opinion and, when adopted by the European Commission, will apply to the operation of aeroplanes and helicopters registered in an EASA Member State.

Source: EASA

[teddybAIR]

Inmarsat offers to track all Inmarsat equipped aircraft free of charge in a reaction to the disappearance of MH370

Source: De Standaard.

[sn26567]

Inmarsat offers to track all Inmarsat equipped aircraft free of charge in a reaction to the disappearance of MH370

Source: De Standaard.

And Luchtzak, some time ago: viewtopic.php?p=298653#p298653