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"Browntailwhale" is totally correct, it has nothing to do with what is said in the bar or the gentleman act played out in front of the current TNT crewmembers, of course we are all professional and polite. If it came to a ballot of the IPA, 99% would vote for action to force UPS to close TNT airways, and it's the ballot box that counts. Think of all the upgrades that will result from the closure of TNT airways and we work on a seniority list,right!!
Reality is that UPS management knows it and has to close TNT airways, they don't want any labor strife it is very bad for business. Closure of TNT airways is easy, it is true that European Pilots are the most divided bunch of pussies on the planet. If it were Australia it would be a different matter.
Now I will tell the TNT airways guys the way it will playout:
Everybody will be very nice to you, you will start to feel like part of the family, management couldn't be nicer, you'll think it's a pleasure to work for these guys.
Then, in a month or two you'll wake up switch on the TV, it'll be Bloomberg Europe, and in small writing running across the streamer at the bottom of the screen it will be written "UPS announces the closure of TNT airways". The same day you will receive a package, it will be an offer of severence, and they will offer about 50% more than the legal minimum that they have to pay under Belgium law on condition you sign and return a paper stating that you will take no further legal or political action against UPS. This paper will have to be returned within 48 hours otherwise the offer is no longer on the table. Of course there is now no time to have any collective bargaining, and those wives fearing losing that money are insisting on having this paper signed and returned.Within a week they will have you all signed up to a cheap termination of your jobs, with no right to legal action or political protest. Sorry guys but this is the way business is done in the US.
Your jobs are gone anyway that is just a fact, what ever lies you hear or whatever niceties come your way, bottom line is you will not be Pilots in the new UPS.
What you can do is work fast to organise a streamlined collective bargaining unit, get yourselves the most cunning and clever legal firm you can find in Europe and take every last penny that UPS will eventually be prepared to give for your severance, and believe me, they want to avoid trouble and will pay a lot.
Lobby your politicians.....Thats key, thats what they don't want....
Integrating the TNT system into the UPS system will undoubtably be an extremely complicated logistical, financial, and legal maze. The complexity associated with standing 3rd and 5th freedom rights, coupled with the depressed EC economic engine could lead to LESS UPS flying for all anyone knows (politically, how easy of a sell would it be for an EU politician to change the rules, eliminating intra-European N-number flying by IPA crews??)
The track record for pilots surviving a UPS acquisition is poor. Our purchase of Challenge Air Cargo was (from the line UPS pilots perspective) messy at best. We only bought the that company for their landing rights in South and Central America. The pilots were non-union, and their leased aircraft returned. UPS didn't even offer any of their pilots job interview preference. I was embarrassed.
This acquisition of TNT by UPS will affect many thousands of employees, families, sub-contractors, etc. Some may come out ahead, but a lot may not. Only time will tell. But UPS Corporate has determined this to be the best course to expand our branded service in not only Europe, but also Asia, South America, and India. It is the biggest piece of the worldwide logistics puzzle we've purchased, and hopefully will mean more jobs for more people as our international system becomes more interconnected.
For any pilot to brashly exclaim glee over possible expanded international flying at this point, is simply throwing out flame bait, an opinion based upon a vacuum of facts. If I had made such a statement in haste, I would whole-heartedly apologize to everyone on this forum. This type of attitude does not represent a line UPS/IPA pilot.
This completes my once per year posting on this forum…..
To the Belgiques (some, not all) who winged about the ex Air Foyle pilots preserving their terms when the operation transfered to TNTA, and then nearly all of whom were eventually cajoled out, one way or the other - well the boot is on the other foot now, isn't it!
TNT Airways is rather small operation. So I see two scenarios based on a fact that 51% should be traceable to EU/EEC individuals: a) UPS will keep TNT Airways (could be rebranded as UPS Europe) through some artificial ownership structure and possibly even grow it at expense of Star Air, although I wouldn't bet this will remain Belgian AOC and LGG base, or b) they will shut TNT Airways and grow Star Air.
Best case, TNT Air becomes an EU contractor for UPS; worst case they dry up on the vine and go out of busines
Flanker wrote:UPS will sell TNT Airways, it's one of the conditions imposed BY THE EU (due to foreign ownership laws regarding airlines) for the TNT Express buy-out. They will however try to maintain the continuity of TNT Airways to avoid a social disaster.
Please elaborate on possible EU issues and why UPS has to sell TNT Airways (moreover as nobody will buy the company).
sn26567 wrote:The European Commission has opened an investigation into UPS's acquisition of TNT Express on competition grounds. The proposed merger would reduce the number of big players in the European express parcels market from four (DHL, UPS, TNT, FedEx) to three. The Commission fears that in some markets the competition will be reduced to an unacceptable level, which could be detrimental to the consumer. The Commission will issue conclusions before 28 November 2012.