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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby JAF737 » 29 Nov 2011, 22:02

Nice move once again from JAF! I also heard excellent comments about the Azores. Nice and peaceful with fantastic landscapes and many things to discover. And this without being too far from Belgium... :-)

I am also looking forward to seeing the plans for their new "small" aircrafts foreseen for 2013.
Plus their 1st B787 which is foreseen in late 2013 and the 2nd one in 2015 if all goes well. Hopefully JAF will continue that way, but one thing is sure, it's a smart airline with a bright future.

For 2012, another B738 is expected to join the fleet together with a B737-700.
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby rix » 29 Nov 2011, 23:07

sn26567 wrote:Jetairfly launches 3 new routes from Brussels Airport : Ponta Delgada on the Island of Sao Miguel in the Portuguese Azores (every Monday from April), and Skopje and Ohrid in Macedonia (every Tuesday and Sunday from May). This brings the total number of Jetairfly destinations to 122.


but why did they choose Skopje ? Half a day is enough to visit the old town, museum and eat some Burek :roll:

Ohrid though is a lovely lakeside town
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby crew1990 » 30 Nov 2011, 01:28

Nice that they grow up, just bad that they are killing Thomas cook Airlines Belgium. (Actually it not only about Belgium TUI kills Thomas Cooks)
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby Shanti » 30 Nov 2011, 06:52

Do you think Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium will have difficulties to survive?
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby Bralo20 » 30 Nov 2011, 09:35

crew1990 wrote:Nice that they grow up, just bad that they are killing Thomas cook Airlines Belgium. (Actually it not only about Belgium TUI kills Thomas Cooks)


Well, according to the latest balance (fiscal year 2009/2010) Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium NV posted a profit of about 25 million EUR (small increase, 2008/2009 was 23 million EUR) or about 8x as much as Tui Airlines Belgium NV which only posted 3 million EUR of profit... So it doesn't seem that they are doing that bad I guess. ;)
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby RoMax » 30 Nov 2011, 13:59

According to Markku Ahteela (SN area manager- Nordic countries and Russian Federation), SN is not only interested in more flights to Moscow, but also adding new destinations like Saint-Petersburg. But for now SN doesn't have the permission to fly to any other Russian city.
SN said they will have to force the negotiations between Belgium and Russia for a 'better' bilateral agreement.
The current one was signed in late 2010 and allows both SN and Aeroflot to fly 14/week between Moscow and Belgium. To get this agreement through, 3 years of work was needed...

Source: ATW Online
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby tolipanebas » 30 Nov 2011, 14:19

SN operated to LED during summer season 2007 and 2008....
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby RoMax » 30 Nov 2011, 14:23

tolipanebas wrote:SN operated to LED during summer season 2007 and 2008....

Yes but maybe they are not allowed anymore in the new bilateral agreement (signed late 2010) or they may be allowed, but in that case limited in frequency to DME (wich is after all the most important)...
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby sdbelgium » 30 Nov 2011, 15:54

sn26567 wrote:Jetairfly launches 3 new routes from Brussels Airport : Ponta Delgada on the Island of Sao Miguel in the Portuguese Azores (every Monday from April), and Skopje and Ohrid in Macedonia (every Tuesday and Sunday from May). This brings the total number of Jetairfly destinations to 122.


Flight schedules as follows:

Brussels-Ohrid-Skopje (Tuesdays and Sundays)
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TB 2447  BRU 1935  OHD 2255  737  2
TB 2447  OHD 2255  SKP 2350  737  2
TB 2448  SKP 0020  BRU 0345  737  3

TB 2447  BRU 1945  OHD 2245  737  7
TB 2447  OHD 2310  SKP 0005  737  7
TB 2248  SKP 0035  BRU 0400  737  1


Brussels-Ponta Delgada (Mondays)
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TB 1433  BRU 1330  PDL 1620  737  1
TB 1434  PDL 1645  BRU 2340  737  1
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby crew1990 » 30 Nov 2011, 17:50

Bralo20 wrote:
crew1990 wrote:Nice that they grow up, just bad that they are killing Thomas cook Airlines Belgium. (Actually it not only about Belgium TUI kills Thomas Cooks)


Well, according to the latest balance (fiscal year 2009/2010) Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium NV posted a profit of about 25 million EUR (small increase, 2008/2009 was 23 million EUR) or about 8x as much as Tui Airlines Belgium NV which only posted 3 million EUR of profit... So it doesn't seem that they are doing that bad I guess. ;)


I would like to trust you but can you tell me so why Jetairfly don't stop growing, and Thomas Cook will fly this summer with only 5 aircraft...
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby tolipanebas » 30 Nov 2011, 18:02

Careful here, both Thomas Cook Airlines as well as Jetairfly are 100% subsidiaries of tour operators and get the majority of their income from their parent's activities, so it must be kept in mind the isolated results of the airlines are heavily dependant on internal accounting standards and do not really represent their operational performance as good as it does with independantly operating airlines.

After all: think about it for a minute: if you book a package holiday with Jetair or Neckermann, it is really up to the internal accountants to attribute what they think is a fair portion of your total travel bill as ticket price...
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby cathay belgium » 30 Nov 2011, 18:18

Hi,

Guess concerning the really effectivity/profit of both airlines can be extracted out of
their amount of destinations offered, the amount of aircraft, the amount of pax, ..
don't say TCB is bad/worse condition but guess we can say JAF is doing better business..
But JAF transferred themselves instead of a charter only into a kind of an all people mover,.. meaning
charters but also the hometravelling 'autochtonen' cfr. Algeria,Turkey,ex-Yougoslavia,Marocco... and
a bit of the LCC sector...

Guess this descision wasn't so bad for JAF..

Even the co-operation and the TC holidaybookings operated by JAF let me believe JAF rules a bit now..

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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby andorra-airport » 30 Nov 2011, 18:57

Bralo20 wrote:
crew1990 wrote:Nice that they grow up, just bad that they are killing Thomas cook Airlines Belgium. (Actually it not only about Belgium TUI kills Thomas Cooks)


Well, according to the latest balance (fiscal year 2009/2010) Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium NV posted a profit of about 25 million EUR (small increase, 2008/2009 was 23 million EUR) or about 8x as much as Tui Airlines Belgium NV which only posted 3 million EUR of profit... So it doesn't seem that they are doing that bad I guess. ;)


And I guess this is other, less positive news about them:

"The 170 year-old firm saw its share price plunge 75 per cent last Tuesday amid fears it was on the brink of collapse.

It said it needed extra cash after its French and Belgium markets saw bookings fall by up to 20 per cent in recent weeks, while a move into the Russian market had “got off to an extremely slow start”.

The group has suffered from the impact of the Arab spring, which has hit bookings to Tunisia and Egypt, destinations popular with France and Russia, respectively, as well as UK holidaymakers"

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business ... _1_4010182
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby LJ » 03 Dec 2011, 23:12

According to the "Alitalia To Launch New Destinations In 2012" thead on Airliners.net, Air one has applied for a daily Brussels - Venice service as of May 2012.
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby tolipanebas » 05 Dec 2011, 14:34

AF announces 5 weekly service from its new regional base TLS to BRU as from next summer season; with Easyjet also announcing this route as from end of March 2012, it seems like there might be some sort of overcapacity building on this secondary route next summer as SN also operates on it it 3 times daily...

Let's see what all this activity brings, but probably less than unspectacular yields for all 3 airlines.
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby RoMax » 05 Dec 2011, 19:04

The only thing I like about this is to finally see AF A319's back in BRU...now we only see these 'boring' E145/135's. :P
But indeed...quite some extra capacity, wonder what that will bring...
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby theeuropean » 05 Dec 2011, 19:46

Or a rare A 318! That would be nice :)
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby sn26567 » 06 Dec 2011, 00:24

tolipanebas wrote:AF announces 5 weekly service from its new regional base TLS to BRU as from next summer season.

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Toulouse – Brussels
 AF4344 TLS1055 – 1235BRU 319 135
 AF4344 TLS1130 – 1310BRU 319 6
 AF4344 TLS1445 – 1625BRU 319 7
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Re: BRU summer 2012: latest news, routes, airlines

Postby SabenaForever » 06 Dec 2011, 01:13

Qatar Airways has upgraded the monday flight to the A333 from the new Summer timetable!
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