Near-miss between SWISS A320 and ULM at Brussels Airport

Post by **luchtzak** » 12 Apr 2004, 17:35

Hi all,

received this information from AN124 whilst we where chatting in the chatbox, he had his scanner tuned in on Brussels Approach ATC this afternoon, there was a near-miss between a SWISS Airbus A320 and a ULM on the approach at Brussels Airport.

Does anyone of you has extra information on this?

greetings,

Bart
:rock:
[note: changed S2000 to Airbus A320]

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 12 Apr 2004, 18:23

OMG, wow, this must have been an exciting moment for those pilots

AN124 · Post by **AN124** » 12 Apr 2004, 19:15

I think the pilot from the ULM was also shocked after the incident.

But I'm still wondering what that thing was doing out there.
As far as I know they are not allowed at all in the BRU area.

Problem is that not all these ULM are picked up by radar so knowone could have seen this coming except the pilot from the ULM himself.

Best Regards,
Yvo

Post by **Apuneger** » 12 Apr 2004, 19:17

Thanks for this information. Must have been euh... 'special' to hear this while listening to ATC.

Also, this morning, an SN BA RJ started its takeoff roll from 25R while a Saudi MD-11F was only 5 nm away. It only received its clearance when it was almost flying over Steenokkerzeel. Quite a tight one I'd say, well for BRU anyway

Good job ATC (meant) !!

pilatus · Post by **pilatus** » 12 Apr 2004, 22:56

I was flying with the C208 at Schaffen for the skydivers while the near miss happened, the ULM passed 20m overhead the airliner. Both the pilots and the controller were very upset. I hope they can track the guy, it was a traingle shape with red and yellow.

Greetz

Post by **luchtzak** » 12 Apr 2004, 22:58

20 meters! 8O 8O That's close!! Thanks for the information Pilatus!

Robin_Bamps · Post by **Robin_Bamps** » 13 Apr 2004, 00:30

While talking about ATC ...

Saturday night I also heard a strange situation at the BRU Approach frequency (118.25). Suddenly a lot of very strange noises appeared, and moments later a guy was saying:"Ik zal u niet langer lastigvallen" (means "I will not longer disturb you").

Was some stupid guy talking in his scanner

Regards, Robin Bamps.

Post by **sn26567** » 13 Apr 2004, 09:23

Was the ULM based in Schaffen?

I see quite often ULMs in my area, usually coming from Temploux (Namur). The vertical distance with aeroplanes taking off from or landing at BRU is enormous...

pilatus · Post by **pilatus** » 13 Apr 2004, 11:09

No there are no ULM's based at Schaffen, I was flying overhead Schaffen when it happened as we are in contact with Bru Apr to get climb and drop clearences from Bru Apr I heard the report.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 13 Apr 2004, 11:42

8O That must have been very spectacular 8O

We can be happy that nothing happened...

Chris

concordino · Post by **concordino** » 13 Apr 2004, 11:58

Not many ULM's at Temploux - gliders, light aircraft and paradropping - was there a couple of weeks ago and only 1 ULM (OO-B99) seen.

I did see OO-DAC a Pilatus PC6 - is the one yoou drive "Pilatus"?

Concordino

pilatus · Post by **pilatus** » 13 Apr 2004, 12:08

No, but if I'm not wrong it is our ex OO-FWJ that crashed at EBMO a few years ago. I fly for Skydive Flanders with OO-JDV and OO-PCV both PC6T and OO-FUS and OO-JEE both C208 Grand Caravan. I flew already at EBNM just after their Pilatus crashed and they hired a C208 (D-FROG).

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 14 Apr 2004, 13:04

it has been made official now: read it in the newspaper and on vrtnieuws.net.

The aircraft was an Arbus (not Saab 2000 as reported earlier). Things happened at an altitude of 800m (2600ft) and not at 6000ft as reported earlier.

Post by **luchtzak** » 14 Apr 2004, 13:13

wo 14/04/04 - In het luchtruim boven Waals-Brabant is een Airbus van Swiss International Airlines bijna tegen een ULM-vliegtuigje gebotst. Het incident dateert van afgelopen maandag, maar werd nu pas bevestigd.

Gelukkig kon de Airbus veilig landen.

Picture: Belga

De Zwitserse vlucht LX 780 was maandagmiddag bezig met het landingsmanoeuvre toen het ULM-toestel plotseling opdook en op nauwelijks twintig meter van de Airbus passeerde. Dat gebeurde op zo'n 800 meter hoogte in een zone waar een vliegverbod geldt voor sportvliegers.

ULM staat voor Ultra Light Motorized. ULM-vliegtuigen zijn kleine toestelletjes die niet worden waargenomen door een radar. Wat na het incident met het toestel is gebeurd, is nog onbekend. Het kan zijn dat de ULM in problemen is gekomen door de turbulentie.

Als de piloot alsnog wordt gevonden, dan riskeert hij een fikse boete en de intrekking van zijn vliegvergunning.

http://vrtnieuws.telenet-media.be/nieuw ... index.html for Dutch readers.

thanks Matthias!

:rock:

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 14 Apr 2004, 13:17

or this one if you have Skyslet instead of Teleslet: http://vrtnieuws.streampower.be/nieuwsn ... index.html

Post by **sn26567** » 14 Apr 2004, 13:40

And if you don't read Dutch:

Wednesday 14/04/04 - In the airspace above Walloon Brabant an Airbus of Swiss International Airlines almost collided with ULM-plane. The incident occurred Monday, ut was confirmed only today.

Fortunately the Airbus landed safely.

Swiss flight LX 780 was starting its landing manoeuvres Monday afternoon when suddenly the ULM appeared and passed at only 20 metres above the Airbus. This happened at 800 metre altitude in an area prohibited for sport flights.

ULM means Ultra Light Motorized. ULM-planes are small aircraft that cannot be spotted by a radar. It is still unknown what happened after the incident. Possibly the ULM could have had problems with turbulences.

If the pilot is ever found, he faces a steep penalty and the removal of his flying licence.

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 14 Apr 2004, 13:42

Well, it's good that things turned out well. What was the ULM pilot thinking?

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 14 Apr 2004, 14:01

Let's hope the ULM pilot will be fined for what he did !!!

Chris
8)

Post by **sn26567** » 14 Apr 2004, 14:16

Avro wrote:Let's hope the ULM pilot will be fined for what he did !!!

Before you can fine him, you have to find him (or her, Comet!)

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 14 Apr 2004, 14:19

sn26567 wrote:
Avro wrote:Let's hope the ULM pilot will be fined for what he did !!!
Before you can fine him, you have to find him (or her, Comet!)

I agree, but there aren't thousands of red and yellow ULM's in our country

.

Chris