Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

[luchtzak]

SFN and SFU made test flights for Airbus yesterday (I don't have any other information).

On one of the slides this morning the fleet numbers for end 2017 were as follows: 10 A330, 22 A319, 12 A320, 7 wetleases. If the 12 A320 figure is correct, it means there will be a further 2 A320 joining this year (on top of SNI).

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/brussel ... fu-oo-sfn/

[DeltaWiskey]

Ok, thanks. It seems I am one of those forum members that should read the homepage more often.

[luchtzak]

Ok, thanks. It seems I am one of those forum members that should read the homepage more often.

You are https://www.aviation24.be/welcome

[Jetter]

Though I must admit, the statement about "no fleet expansion after 2017" is very worrying and shows a bleek future for SN as SN. If true, it's almost like saying it's over and out for SN (as SN, maybe not as future EW).

The goal for 2018 is a loadfactor of 80%, significantly higher than the current loadfactor of 75%.The replacement of planes already provides more capacity in these 2 years, so to reach that goal the number of passengers needs to grow even more. Then it only makes sense to not further add capacity by adding planes as a 2.5% increase of the loadfactor per year is already challenging, and adding capacity makes an increase of the loadfactor more difficult.

[sn26567]

Though I must admit, the statement about "no fleet expansion after 2017" is very worrying and shows a bleek future for SN as SN. If true, it's almost like saying it's over and out for SN (as SN, maybe not as future EW).

The goal for 2018 is a loadfactor of 80%, significantly higher than the current loadfactor of 75%.The replacement of planes already provides more capacity in these 2 years, so to reach that goal the number of passengers needs to grow even more. Then it only makes sense to not further add capacity by adding planes as a 2.5% increase of the loadfactor per year is already challenging, and adding capacity makes an increase of the loadfactor more difficult.

The statement "no fleet expansion after 2017" was corrected later. It is still expected that one long haul aircraft will be added each year.

[Duke]

The statement "no fleet expansion after 2017" was corrected later. It is still expected that one long haul aircraft will be added each year.

What a disappointing result...
Not one word about replacing the ageing fleet by new A330neo's or second hand LH A330/340's...
Once again, a too cautious step towards a (too) slow replacement of the worn down A330 fleet...
And thinking that at the same time, Swiss is having a brand new fleet of 777-300's...
Regards,

Duke

[RoMax]

What a disappointing result...
Not one word about replacing the ageing fleet by new A330neo's or second hand LH A330/340's...
Once again, a too cautious step towards a (too) slow replacement of the worn down A330 fleet...

I don't understand how people see this sort of cautious communication as a true indication of the work being done behind the scenes... SN confirmed several times that they are working on the initial phase of the long haul fleet replacement (7 aircraft that will be end of lease in an 11 month period between late 2018 and late 2019). Everything is om track to reach that fleet roll-over. Detailed communication about the final decisions will be done at the appropriate time.

[OO-ITR]

What a disappointing result...
Not one word about replacing the ageing fleet by new A330neo's or second hand LH A330/340's...
Once again, a too cautious step towards a (too) slow replacement of the worn down A330 fleet...

I don't understand how people see this sort of cautious communication as a true indication of the work being done behind the scenes... SN confirmed several times that they are working on the initial phase of the long haul fleet replacement (7 aircraft that will be end of lease in an 11 month period between late 2018 and late 2019). Everything is om track to reach that fleet roll-over. Detailed communication about the final decisions will be done at the appropriate time.

Lets hope SN will get brand new aircraft to replace the old A330. They have showed that they can deliver and receiving another bunch of second hand aircraft would be a slap in the face of the company and the staff for all the efforts they made.
Wouldn't understand why everyone in the group gets brand new aircraft and SN wouldn't....
After all LH got SN for a scratch so no need for a big ROI

[DeltaWiskey]

Wouldn't understand why everyone in the group gets brand new aircraft and SN wouldn't....
After all LH got SN for a scratch so no need for a big ROI

All Eurowings' A330 are also 2nd hand (former EVA and Qatar), there are another 2 frames joining soon, both are ex-Turkish (and >10y old). And it's not like Austrian is operating brand new aircraft either.

I'd rather say: the only airlines in the LH Group that are receiving brand new aircraft are LH and LX.

I don't want to sound offensive, but what Lufthansa has paid for SN Airholding has really nothing to do with ROI or fleet renewal.

[OO-ITR]

Wouldn't understand why everyone in the group gets brand new aircraft and SN wouldn't....
After all LH got SN for a scratch so no need for a big ROI

All Eurowings' A330 are also 2nd hand (former EVA and Qatar), there are another 2 frames joining soon, both are ex-Turkish (and >10y old). And it's not like Austrian is operating brand new aircraft either.

I'd rather say: the only airlines in the LH Group that are receiving brand new aircraft are LH and LX.

I don't want to sound offensive, but what Lufthansa has paid for SN Airholding has really nothing to do with ROI or fleet renewal.

Well let's see what LH will do to replace Austrian's long haul fleet (which is due) and Eurowings long haul fleet (when it will be due). I guess it would be better to order a larger number of aircraft for several entities.

[Airbus2016]

When will the ssj-100's be active in the network?

[luchtzak]

When will the ssj-100's be active in the network?

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/brussel ... 6th-march/

[luchtzak]

When will the ssj-100's be active in the network?

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/brussel ... 6th-march/

And flying in on the 25th of March, schedule and more info @ https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/brussel ... -airlines/

[luchtzak]

Finally a better picture: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/cityjet ... es-livery/

[brusselsairlinesfan]

Finally a better picture: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/cityjet ... es-livery/

The SSJ100 really looks good wearing the brussels airlines livery... thank you very much for sharing this long awaited pic !

[Boavida]

Looks like it has the Irish flag on the fuselage...

[Bralo20]

Looks like it has the Irish flag on the fuselage...

Which is logical since Irish registered.

But it seams that just like with Air Belgium the flag has been painted incorrectly, should have been orange-white-green from this side.

[CTBke]

Flybe's Brussels Airlines' Dashes have the Belgian flag while British registration so could be he same on the SSJ

[Poiu]

But it seams that just like with Air Belgium the flag has been painted incorrectly, should have been orange-white-green from this side.

This is the Irish flag, green on the left next to the flag pole. What you describe is the flag from Ivory Coast!

[Boavida]

Flybe's Brussels Airlines' Dashes have the Belgian flag while British registration so could be he same on the SSJ

Exactly.